Getrude Stein: "wait while I hasten slowly forwards..."
some good, intelligent responses to Mallarme's work last week.
This week we will read and discuss a little of Gertrude Stein's Tender Buttons. Some information on Stein and her methods are below (there are many many more resources on the web).
Read the info/quotes below and respond.
As well as responding to the comments below, post part or all of the in-class imitation exercise:
("Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast."-- Mariene Dietrich)
Aim for two solid paragraphs (or more) in response to the info below then post your imitation of Stein.
Gertrude Stein - a brief biography
[adapted from an entry in the (c)Encyclopedia Britannica] (b. Feb. 3, 1874, Allegheny, Pa., U.S.--d. July 27, 1946, Paris),
avant-garde American writer, eccentric, and self-styled genius, whose Paris home was a salon for the leading artists and writers of the period between World Wars I and II.
Stein spent her infancy in Vienna and Paris and her girlhood in Oakland, Calif. At Radcliffe College she studied psychology with the philosopher William James. After further study at Johns Hopkins medical school she went to Paris, where she was able to live by private means. From 1903 to 1912 she lived with her brother Leo, who became an accomplished art critic; thereafter she lived with her lifelong companion Alice B. Toklas (1877-1967).
Stein and her brother were among the first collectors of works by the Cubists and other experimental painters of the period, such as Pablo Picasso (who painted her portrait), Henri Matisse, and Georges Braque, several of whom became her friends. At her salon they mingled with expatriate American writers, such as Sherwood Anderson and Ernest Hemingway, and other visitors drawn by her literary reputation. Her literary and artistic judgments were revered, and her chance remarks could make or destroy reputations. In her own work, she attempted to parallel the theories of Cubism, specifically in her concentration on the illumination of the present moment and her use of slightly varied repetitions and extreme simplification and fragmentation. The best explanation of her theory of writing is found in the essay Composition and Explanation, which is based on lectures that she gave at the universities of Oxford and Cambridge and was issued as a book in 1926. Among her work that was most thoroughly influenced by Cubism is Tender Buttons (1914), which carries fragmentation and abstraction beyond the borders of intelligibility.
Her first published book, Three Lives (1909), the stories of three working-class women, has been called a minor masterpiece. The Making of Americans, a long composition written in 1906-08 but not published until 1925, was too convoluted and obscure for general readers, for whom she remained essentially the author of such lines as "A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose." Her only book to reach a wide public was The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas (1933), actually Stein's own autobiography. The performance in the United States of her Four Saints in Three Acts (1934), which the composer Virgil Thomson had made into an opera, led to a triumphal American lecture tour in 1934-35. Thomson also wrote the music for her second opera, The Mother of Us All (published 1947), based on the life of feminist Susan B. Anthony.
Stein became a legend in Paris, especially after surviving the German occupation of France and befriending the many young American servicemen who visited her. She wrote about these soldiers in Brewsie and Willie (1946).
Guy Davenport on Stein:
"Those who, like William Carlos Williams, saw Gertrude Stein as a revolutionary shaking-up of writing, claimed that she was scrubbing words clean, so that we can see them anew. She was, to her own mind, being a Cubist. That is, she was making a fractal sketch of things, the way Picasso and Braque could draw a mandolin with a few suggestive lines. Her most successful technique was teasing, making us guess, alerting us to the traps in language that we normally avoid or can’t be bothered to think about. Here Stein moves parallel to Wittgenstein, who saw that language is a game with agreed-upon rules.
We realize that we are in the presence of a sophisticated and cunning technique, of an achieved style. Stein is, with her array of styles, asking to be put beside Picasso. Stanzas in Meditation, read aloud in a good voice, is eerily like Shakespeare’s sonnets for sonority and majesty of line. These poems say something, but what? It’s like overhearing an actor two rooms away. You can feel the cadences and the power, but you can’t hear it well enough to know if it’s Donne, Milton, or Marlowe. It’s like watching a photograph develop in the tray before it is recognizable.
My sense is that Stein began with what in another writer would be an idea. She does not, however, propose to develop the idea into a plot, a poem, or an essay, but to submit it to the chemistry of her considerable intellect. One day she must have heard, or herself remarked, that Byron’s life would make an interesting play. She is not going to write the play; she is going to think about the intricacies of historical figures in plays, and what a play is. So, in 1933, she wrote “Byron A Play,” which seems to be about Byron, plays, and the problem of what we mean when we say a famous name. Seems. To read it we need to find a part of our brain that we have never used, where the synapses are differently designed. It is the very literate equivalent of children playing in a sandbox. They are happy, busy, purposeful in their own way, but only angels know what they think they’re doing."
W. G. Rogers, who wrote his recollections of Stein in the book When This You See, Remember Me (1948), made the following point in a review of a posthumous volume of Stein's writings in 1955:
"As always when at her best, she uses double talk to arrive at plain meanings: she adds nothing and nothing and gets something; her sum is an emotional impact; an excitment, an undeniable deep stirring. This is the marvel and the mystery of her language; it can be an incantation, and like the lingo of the medicine man, it can say little while accomplishing a lot. You don't blame it for what it is, you credit it for what it does."
In a review of Stein's posthumously published Stanzas in Meditation (1956)--a review published in Saturday Review (December 22, 1956, pp. 20-1)--Wallace Fowlie wrote:
"She never relinquishes the strictest, most intimate relationship between her words and her thought. I would say that her poetry comes not from her words but from the intimacy of this contract. The experience of the reader is an awareness of this contract which grows until it becomes an obsession. The poems prepare and create in a strangely powerful way the reader who is destined to read them. He will find himself involved in a relationship far different from the habitual relationship of reader and poem. For this is poetry about poetry.... A word used by Gertrude Stein does not designate a thing as much as it designates the way in which the thing is possessed, or the way in which the thing is destroyed, or the way whereby the poets has learned to live with it."
Robert Grenier on Tender Buttons
In his essay on Tender Buttons Robert Grenier argues that Stein was concerned with language not "as object-in-itself" but as "composition functioning in the composition of the world."
This week we will read and discuss a little of Gertrude Stein's Tender Buttons. Some information on Stein and her methods are below (there are many many more resources on the web).
Read the info/quotes below and respond.
As well as responding to the comments below, post part or all of the in-class imitation exercise:
("Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast."-- Mariene Dietrich)
Aim for two solid paragraphs (or more) in response to the info below then post your imitation of Stein.
Gertrude Stein - a brief biography
[adapted from an entry in the (c)Encyclopedia Britannica] (b. Feb. 3, 1874, Allegheny, Pa., U.S.--d. July 27, 1946, Paris),
avant-garde American writer, eccentric, and self-styled genius, whose Paris home was a salon for the leading artists and writers of the period between World Wars I and II.
Stein spent her infancy in Vienna and Paris and her girlhood in Oakland, Calif. At Radcliffe College she studied psychology with the philosopher William James. After further study at Johns Hopkins medical school she went to Paris, where she was able to live by private means. From 1903 to 1912 she lived with her brother Leo, who became an accomplished art critic; thereafter she lived with her lifelong companion Alice B. Toklas (1877-1967).
Stein and her brother were among the first collectors of works by the Cubists and other experimental painters of the period, such as Pablo Picasso (who painted her portrait), Henri Matisse, and Georges Braque, several of whom became her friends. At her salon they mingled with expatriate American writers, such as Sherwood Anderson and Ernest Hemingway, and other visitors drawn by her literary reputation. Her literary and artistic judgments were revered, and her chance remarks could make or destroy reputations. In her own work, she attempted to parallel the theories of Cubism, specifically in her concentration on the illumination of the present moment and her use of slightly varied repetitions and extreme simplification and fragmentation. The best explanation of her theory of writing is found in the essay Composition and Explanation, which is based on lectures that she gave at the universities of Oxford and Cambridge and was issued as a book in 1926. Among her work that was most thoroughly influenced by Cubism is Tender Buttons (1914), which carries fragmentation and abstraction beyond the borders of intelligibility.
Her first published book, Three Lives (1909), the stories of three working-class women, has been called a minor masterpiece. The Making of Americans, a long composition written in 1906-08 but not published until 1925, was too convoluted and obscure for general readers, for whom she remained essentially the author of such lines as "A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose." Her only book to reach a wide public was The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas (1933), actually Stein's own autobiography. The performance in the United States of her Four Saints in Three Acts (1934), which the composer Virgil Thomson had made into an opera, led to a triumphal American lecture tour in 1934-35. Thomson also wrote the music for her second opera, The Mother of Us All (published 1947), based on the life of feminist Susan B. Anthony.
Stein became a legend in Paris, especially after surviving the German occupation of France and befriending the many young American servicemen who visited her. She wrote about these soldiers in Brewsie and Willie (1946).
Guy Davenport on Stein:
"Those who, like William Carlos Williams, saw Gertrude Stein as a revolutionary shaking-up of writing, claimed that she was scrubbing words clean, so that we can see them anew. She was, to her own mind, being a Cubist. That is, she was making a fractal sketch of things, the way Picasso and Braque could draw a mandolin with a few suggestive lines. Her most successful technique was teasing, making us guess, alerting us to the traps in language that we normally avoid or can’t be bothered to think about. Here Stein moves parallel to Wittgenstein, who saw that language is a game with agreed-upon rules.
We realize that we are in the presence of a sophisticated and cunning technique, of an achieved style. Stein is, with her array of styles, asking to be put beside Picasso. Stanzas in Meditation, read aloud in a good voice, is eerily like Shakespeare’s sonnets for sonority and majesty of line. These poems say something, but what? It’s like overhearing an actor two rooms away. You can feel the cadences and the power, but you can’t hear it well enough to know if it’s Donne, Milton, or Marlowe. It’s like watching a photograph develop in the tray before it is recognizable.
My sense is that Stein began with what in another writer would be an idea. She does not, however, propose to develop the idea into a plot, a poem, or an essay, but to submit it to the chemistry of her considerable intellect. One day she must have heard, or herself remarked, that Byron’s life would make an interesting play. She is not going to write the play; she is going to think about the intricacies of historical figures in plays, and what a play is. So, in 1933, she wrote “Byron A Play,” which seems to be about Byron, plays, and the problem of what we mean when we say a famous name. Seems. To read it we need to find a part of our brain that we have never used, where the synapses are differently designed. It is the very literate equivalent of children playing in a sandbox. They are happy, busy, purposeful in their own way, but only angels know what they think they’re doing."
W. G. Rogers, who wrote his recollections of Stein in the book When This You See, Remember Me (1948), made the following point in a review of a posthumous volume of Stein's writings in 1955:
"As always when at her best, she uses double talk to arrive at plain meanings: she adds nothing and nothing and gets something; her sum is an emotional impact; an excitment, an undeniable deep stirring. This is the marvel and the mystery of her language; it can be an incantation, and like the lingo of the medicine man, it can say little while accomplishing a lot. You don't blame it for what it is, you credit it for what it does."
In a review of Stein's posthumously published Stanzas in Meditation (1956)--a review published in Saturday Review (December 22, 1956, pp. 20-1)--Wallace Fowlie wrote:
"She never relinquishes the strictest, most intimate relationship between her words and her thought. I would say that her poetry comes not from her words but from the intimacy of this contract. The experience of the reader is an awareness of this contract which grows until it becomes an obsession. The poems prepare and create in a strangely powerful way the reader who is destined to read them. He will find himself involved in a relationship far different from the habitual relationship of reader and poem. For this is poetry about poetry.... A word used by Gertrude Stein does not designate a thing as much as it designates the way in which the thing is possessed, or the way in which the thing is destroyed, or the way whereby the poets has learned to live with it."
Robert Grenier on Tender Buttons
In his essay on Tender Buttons Robert Grenier argues that Stein was concerned with language not "as object-in-itself" but as "composition functioning in the composition of the world."

55 Comments:
In my opinion Gertrude Stein is one of the best poets that we have encountered so far. I really like the way that she uses just one ordinary sentence. She then changes this sentence not by much but enough for the reader to notice. She then emphasizes on the sentence by repeating it a little differently every time. She really gets her point across by using this certain technique.
I also like the playfulness of the way that Gertrude Stein makes her poems sound. She uses words in a way that most normal people would never even think of. She gives the poems a type of rythum with the ryhming that she uses over and over again.
Class assignment:
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
She must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
She must not reheat.
His sins,
His sins,
She must not reheat sins.
Once a woman has forgiven,
Once a woman has forgiven,
She must not reheat sins,
Of her man,
Of her man,
A woman has forgiven her man.
-Kelsey Bowers
I think reading the biography and comments on Stein helped me see and understand her work a little more than before. Before, when reading her collection, I was a bit frustrated and thought she was weird and knew nothing of the subject matter. I don't think what I read is confusing anymore, just that she has a different style of writing. Even her composition "Making of Americans" wasn't published until about 17 years after she wrote it. That goes to show her writings were too complex for the average reader. Stein experienced many things that may have influenced her poems. Her home was a salon for many great artists and writers who she could have got some type of aspiration from. It was also during the period between World War 1 and 2. Along with that, she studied psychology with a philosopher and sometimes their thinking is a little more abstract than most.
I agree with Guy Davenport saying that Stein scrubbed her words clean so we can see them anew. To me that means, she used words in a totally different manner than most would. She took away the meaning and had a different meaning in mind when she used them. They may seem confusing, but in reality, she doesn't want the reader to use them in the normal context anyway.
IMITATION OF STEIN:
The woman that just forgave her man, to reheat his sins for breakfast would not be right. The man who the woman once forgave should not have his sins reheated for breakfast. To not reheat his sins for breakfast, she must not once a woman has forgiven her man. She who once has forgiven her man, must not have his sins reheated for breakfast........
Johnna' Burns
Gertrude Stein has a very unique style of writing. It's something that I have never read before. While reading some of her selections of poetry, she does a lot of playing with words. Taking one statement, changing it to make it mean something else.
Taken the words of Guy Davenport "It's like watching a photograph develop in the tray before it is recognizable", I think best describes Gertrude Stein techniques. When a photo is developing you see bits and bits until finally the whole picture is revealed. You never really know what it is until its done. The words are like themes that are made into events that are expressed with emotions all at once. Taking little by little to get the full view of whats going on.
With her poetry you see a lot of repition with words but that one word could have several meanings. Her poems are very structured where you start with one point, have a bunch of stuff going on in the middle, and then end back to where you started.
Her poetry simply makes you see things in a totally different way, making you look beyond whats just infront of you. Makes you escape to another world or way of thinking.
Once a women, once a man. She forgave a man, a man forgave a women. She has forgiven her man, once forgiven for his sins. Once forgiving for his sins. His sins forgiven. She once a women for the man she forgave. Reheated was not his sins. His sins was not reheated. For breakfast his sins was not reheated. His sins was not reheated for breakfast. Once a man, once a women. Forgave a man. Once a women forgave a man, for breakfast his sins was not reheated.
Andrea Brown
I enjoy the randomness that almost seems to engulf Stein's poetry. When in reality she knew exactly where she was going with her structure.
She does agree that language is a game and it does have a set of agreed-upon rules. she however is put into the category of avant-garde. An American writer who broke out of the ordinary to create something more than just poetry.
Her simplistic ways of using repetition and sentence fragmentations allow the readers to get more out of her work.
"...she uses double talk to arrive at plain meanings: she adds nothing and nothing and gets something...it can say little while accomplishing a lot. You don't blame it for what it is, you credit it for what it does."
I agree with this quote. It is not just the words but the rhythm that contribute to the way the poem is read. To the significance of the meaning.
~ ~ ~ ~
A woman once her man forgiven she of his sins,
his sins forgiven,
reheated for breakfast she must not,
must not for breakfast reheat his sins,
Forgiven her man once,
a woman for his sins
once
once forgiven
she must not reheat his sins for breakfast
for breakfast she must not
his sins
his sins for breakfast she must not
reheat
She forgave her man for his sins,
and she must not reheat them for breakfast
~ lisa thompson~
I find it interesting that within her lifetime, Stein was not just exposed to writing and poetry but she had such a vast exposure to art and music also. This exposure to all of these art forms help to make her the unique writer that she is. She can look at words and see them as literature, music and images. I like the quote from Stein that states that she is “scrubbing words clean, so that we can see them anew.” By getting words out of their natural places in the sentences we know as normal, they take on totally different meanings. It is just like seeing math for the first time. It looks confusing, but when you finally learn it, practice it and get familiar with it, those once hard-looking symbols and numbers become a lot easier. I believe Stein wants the audience to see her works as confusing at first because it draws your attention and leaves you wondering and wanting more of this different way of arranging words.
One thing that I notice in Stein’s poems is that when you first start reading, I always think I have an idea as to what it might mean, but as the poem ends, I am lead in a totally different direction. I don’t think her poems are written for a certain meaning. They just are what they are.
In class, here is what I came up with from the quote:
His sins not a woman reheat her man for breakfast.
Once sins must forgiven not her man she has reheat.
Not once she has his sins or breakfast to reheat.
A sin, a woman, a man, not once she forgiven at breakfast.
Has woman breakfast a man she sin reheat not once.
Not once, not man, not woman, not must, not breakfast for his sins until forgiven.
Shera Gadson
Gertrude Stein approaches her poetry as if every wood she writes is mapping out her picture in her head. At first she seems scattered but constant like normal thoughts, but after looking closer one can tell that she's trying to bring forth, partly because of her relationship with picasso, a sense of cubism with edgey fragments that isn't displaying the traditional smoothness and symmetry that the popular society would be searching for.
She does this playing with everyday words but in the context of a larger picture that normally isn't thought too much upon. She wrote about objects she had seen or heard and tried to portray them as if no one has really seen or heard them before.
The blog had said how she would mingle with people like Ernest Hemmingway, who could describe anything and everything with such passion that maybe he rubbed off on her, allowing her work to create a new sensation from an everyday idea.
In class work:
Once a Woman.
Once forgotten
a Woman forgets--
Sins Forgotten.
Once Sins,
not reheat
must, once Forgiven-
a woman, her Man
has breakfast,
Once forgotten breakfast.
she Must forgive
and Not Reheat
Forgotten Sins for Breakfast.
Karin Aydelette
Throughout 18 years of speaking and hearing, reading and writing I have found one thing to be true, communication is imperfect. What one person percieves a conversation or a comment to be can be totally misunderstood or distorted by the way it is given. There are many factors that can cause others to misinterperet ones writing especially. In using AIM and email I have experienced this first hand.
Gertrude Stein uses a technique of scrambling sentences and adding words to them to create a totally different feeling/ meaning. I think the way she writes leads the reader to no textural confusion. However, one can interperate steins scrambled sentances a different way but basically the rep-wording clarifies her meaning in what she is writing and allows less uncertainty.
In class rendering:
Woman sins for man not forgiven she must reheat.
Once breakfast has been reheated her man has sin.
Must a woman reheat breakfast for her man.
Once forgiven, ger man must sin for breakfast.
Breakfast once a womans sin has not forgiven.
Has a woman not reaheat her man ?
-Brittany Snow
Gertrude Stein, like Mallarme, appears to have a love for words and language. Just as Mallarme used words with their original meanings or a rarely used meaning, so does Stein "scrubbing her words clean, so that we can see them anew" (Guy Davenport) use her words in a way that the reader needs to think about the meaning and intent. Gertrude Stein, like Mallarme and other writers of her time also surrounded herself, lived and worked among artists who expressed themselves in many forms. Her work was probably affected to some degree by the influences of these other craftsmen.
Unlike Mallarme, Stein was well known before her death. She had many works published during her life and became a legend in Paris after surviving the German occupation of France (Encyclopedia Britannia).
In-class imitation exercise:
Breakfast.
Sinful breakfast.
Sunday breakfast.
Sunday forgiveness.
Sins forgiven.
Breakfast.
Sunday breakfast.
Hashbrowns.
Hash, rehash, brown hash.
Sins rehashed.
Sunday breakfast.
Man sins.
Woman forgives.
Sunday breakfast.
Rehashed browns burn.
Sunday breakfast.
Man forgets.
Woman smolders.
Holes burned.
Sunday breakfast.
Fabric destroyed.
Sunday breakfast burned.
Patrick Nelson
Like Mallerme, it is obvious that Gertrude Stein is apart of the avant-garde movement as well, considering that she takes into account the appreciation for the words itself. Intentionally, Stein composes the poem into subdivisions, each with a bold title, before her “play” with the words begin. The arrangement of the sentences and the repetition that is embedded allows Stein to take risks that often times poets avoid. Although poems are meant to have some form of order to it, it doesn’t mean poems have to all be alike and boring. Stein is very brave for creating such an interesting, and tongue-tying poem as this.
Upon reading this very poem “Tender Buttons”, at first I thought it is easy to do, but it’s actually complex. However, this makes sense considering that she is primarily influenced by Cubism, which definitely embodies the characteristic “complex simplicity”. I agree with some of the other commentators that she brings the repetition, fragmentation, and abstraction from the art movement and integrates it with the beauty of language. Furthermore, the syntax allows the reader to think more critically and form many diverse interpretations of what is meant.
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In-Class Activity:
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Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. His sins repeat. Reheat. Repeat. Reheat. Repent. Not Reheat. Forgive a woman once. Once his sins. Not once. Once breakfast she must. A woman.
A man.
(Wo)man forgave. Breakfast sins once has must not. Not must has forgiven her man, a woman. A woman his sins. Woman sins, his sins. Must reheat for breakfast? Not reheat, but repent.
~~Airreia Smith
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. Has she really forgiven her man? Sins are not reheated once a true woman has forgiven her man. Reheat his sins. Reheat him. Reheat forgiveness. For breakfast, man, reheat a woman. Once a woman. Once a man. Sins are forgiven. For forgiveness he must. Now she can trust. His sins. Her sins. Reheat reheat. Forgive forgive.
-Amelia O'Neal-
I have never been very interested in poetry because I don't understand it and I simply do not have the ability to write it. When we started studying Gertrude Stein, my view of poetry changed. I love the way Stein writes! It's a little absurd at times, but I like that. It's not so serious, and it allows me to take from the poem a message that is relative to me, and not the message that the poet necessarily meant for me to get as the reader.
I really enjoyed writing a poem that imitated Stein's poetic technique. I'm not sure if I've done it correctly, or if it even sounds good, but this is what I came up with:
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. Reheat must not she, a woman, forgiven breakfast. Woman must his sins. Must not. Reheat. For morning breakfast. A man forgiven is woman's breakfast. She reheat eat. Eat she reheat. Once, twice, thrice, forgiven. Forgotten. Reheated, once, twice, thrice, again. Forgotten, forgiven, or reheated??
Stefanie Tallent
In her own way, Gertrude Stein has a very unique style of writing. The poems may be hard to understand at first, but the style is very interesting. It's not like most of the other poems that we have read as in it being a narrative or having a rhyme scheme. This style is very different.
Stein's form of writing is basically described by taking a sentence and rearranging the words. As William-Carlos Williams said, he saw Gertrude Stein as scrubbing the words clean, so that we can see them anew. This is very true. By arranging the words and repeating a specific word or two over and over puts more emphasis on a meaning that may not have been when it was the original sentence.
Class Assignment:
A woman. Her man. His sins. She must not reheat. Reheat sins. Reheat for breakfast. His sins. Once she has forgiven. Once a woman. Forgives. Must not.
Reheat. His sins. A woman. Must not. Reheat her mans sins. Once Forgiven.
Brittany Hall
I find it very interesting that Stein shared a professional interest with her brother, Leo. Having two sisters myself, and none of us interested in the same thing professionally, it was very intriguing for me to see that both Stein and Leo were endowed with the gifts of art, Stein as a poet and Leo as an art critic. I can't help but wonder if they rubbed off on one another and if he was a critic of her work. Both being early collectors of works done by Cubists, I can only assume that they shared similar views in their arts.
Stein's "circle of friends," if you choose to call it that, was quite astounding. Her unique sense of style in her poetry led her to become acquainted with Picasso, who painted her picture, and even spend time with Hemingway and other important figures. Apparently, she had gained quite a literary reputation, one that I did not fully understand until I tried to recreate her style with the in class activity. In doint that, I realized how difficult it is to imitate her "varied repetitions and extreme simplification and fragmentation." It takes a true artist and poet to write as she did, and she rightly deserves the title of a "legend in Paris."
In Class Exercise:
"Once a woman has forgive her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast." Must not reheat his sins for breakfast once forgiven. Once forgiven man, must not reheat. A woman must not. No sins for breakfast. No reheated sins for breakfast. Must not. Forgiven. Has reheated sins. She must not. She forgave. Bad breakfast. Must not reheat for breakfasst. Her man. Forgiven. Wants something else for breakfast. No leftovers. No reheated sins for breakfast, not once her man is forgiven.
Jessica Dickerson
Steins poetry is very cute and playful like. She has a certain meaning to them although they are playful and cute. I really can not get into the deep meaning of her poems but I like the rhythm of them. I like how she uses repetitive phrases to emphasize her point which I think deals with the title but it just may not be the case. She uses cute little ideas and characters such as dogs, monkeys, love etc. While reading her poems, I feel a certain rhythm and song like flow.
Class assignment:
"Once a woman reheat has frogiven her man
She must not reheat his sins for breakfast."
Once a woman reheat his sins for breakfast,
Why would that woman forgive that man.
Forgive that man
That man and his sins
Once that woman has forgiven,
But has woman forgotten that man and his sins?
That man, that woman and his sins forgot to forgive.
That woman must not reheat those sins.
That woman must forgive her man.
Her man and his sins must not be reheated for breakfast.
Tori Hoyle (10-10:50)
After first reading Stein, I saw that her work was very advanced, as far as the readings that we have saw before. The quote, “A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose." From this particular quote depending on the person, you could interpret this in a number of ways. For instance, you could take it for what it is, basically word for word. A rose is a rose; it is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Also if you have a preconceived notion about something, such as the rose, you would look at it as you perceive your past experiences. Its kind of all in what you make it, and how you perceive things.
The poem by Dietrich was unique to me. I thought she was kind of out there, with the changing words around. It seemed like it had a chaotic sense to it at first. I came to realize that it wasn’t at random and the sentences made sense a little. Then it was cool. It was words changed around, but with a different meaning. Not many people can do that. I actually learned to like it. Her style was one of a kind.
~James DeGraffenreid~
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. Once sins reheat a man must be forgiven, Once a man reheats breakfast, He must be forgiven, A man must be forgiven for sins, Forgiven sins, Not reheated sins, Sins forgiven must not reheat, Man he must not sin, Woman she must not sin, For if woman reheats man sins, Sins will reheat, Forgiven sins
~James DeGraffenreid~
Gertrude Stein, like Mallarme, challenged the use of words, but with different artistic genius. Mallarme would "paint" with his words a siutuation for you to feel, and explore through. Stien uses words to uncover meanings through our actions. An example of this would be from "Why do you feel Differently" when the comparison of a fair orange tree (men) and one that has blossoms as well(women)is used. Both of these trees are capable of the same thing, making oranges, but because one has produces faster then the other we are left with a poorly producing tree with blossoms.
I feel that Stiens education in Philosophy and Psychology influenced her writings. Compared to Saint Anselm "The Ontological Argument" you see that Stien has picked up his knack for repetion, "For rather then seeking to understand so that I can believe, I beleive so that I can understand." Stien also could have been influenced by the human mind and it's ablilty to deciefer cryptic information. Either way she has ben the most enjoable to read so far.
Rebekah Bair-Sanders
In class writing:
Once a women has forgiven her man she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. A women, for breakfast, has forgiven reheated sins. Once her man sins breakfast is served. Served is reheated sins , man. Women, man sins forgiven. Must not breakfast serve. Must not breakfast. Man is reheated must. Women sins once.
Rebekah Bair-Sanders
I find it interesting how Stein uses language and words in her works. When I first started reading her poems I found then weird but captivating. I was intrigued by the repetition, but confused by what seemed like rambling to me. I knew right away that she had her own unique style of writing.
I find it interesting like W.G. Rogers that Stein repeats herself and by saying nothing twice she says so much. After reading the bio I went back and reread some of her poems and they meant more. I wasn't looking for some deep meaning in each individual word. It was by her saying nothing that she really said everything she wanted. This is truely a unique style of poetry but one you can have a lot of fun with.
CLASS IMITATION:
A woman will forgive her man.
She will forgive his many sins.
But in forgiving his sins there is one thing she must not do.
She must not reheat them for breakfast.
Reheating them for breakfast she must not do.
For once a woman forgives her man, his sins must not be reheated for breakfast.
Megan Foster
Now that I know more about Gertrude Stein I feel that her poems somewhat reflects on her personality. Her poems are playful much like how she is outgoing and sociable. She befriends many and knows many people. I would have to agree with Guy Davenport that, “Her most successful technique was teasing, making us guess, alerting us to the trap in language that we normally avoid or can’t be bothered to think about.” Gertrude Stein uses words in a way that different meanings are derived each time she repeats them.
W.G. Rogers mentions that her language can say little while accomplishing a lot. This statement is true in a sense that she can write a single sentence is so many ways that allows the reader to think about it from diverse perspectives. As she put words into various context readers are more than likely to pay closer attention to how it’s used.
Forgive her man and not reheat his sins.
Forgive him then for he has sinned.
Forgive him? Because of his sins.
Must not reheat his sins for breakfeast once she has forgiven him.
Him he who sins is once forgiven then.
Then a woman forgives her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfeast.
Hong Ton
Gertrude Stein is such an impressive force because she writes how she feels, and does it regardless of how others perceive her work. She inscribes words in such a way to make others think, to experience, to feel. I love how she doesn’t force what she writes down others throats. She makes the reader delve further into the not just what something is but what makes it what it is “She is not going to write the play; she is going to think about the intricacies of historical figures in plays, and what a play is.”
She presents her works by choosing words for their innate quality, rather than for their traditional meaning. I think it is impossible to define or to fully describe her works. I think everyone has to make their own opinion on what they feel each impression mean. Gertrude Stein once said” I write for myself.” This shows in her writing because she didn’t care what anyone else thought or even if you understood her work. She wrote what she felt and I think that each persons understanding of her works is a matter of personal experience; no one can help another through it. Everyone must decide for themselves what it means. I feel that she wanted people to feel not to think about her poems because feeling is the beginning of knowledge.
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
Once a woman
has forgiven her man,
Once a woman
She must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
She must not reheat.
His sins,
She must not reheat,
She must not reheat his sins.
Once a woman has forgiven,
She must not reheat,
Once a woman has forgiven,
She must not reheat,
Of her man,
Of her man,
Once a woman has forgiven her man.
She must not reheat his sins.
I do believe that Gertrude Stein is one of deepest poets we have come across. She takes simple everyday terms and compacts them into phrases, which forms thoughts that would not normally flow. I enjoy her work because it can be interpreted in numerous ways. Stein's bio really helps clarify what she is expressing in her poetry and you really grasp the thoughts and emotions that she puts into each of her pieces of work.
In Class Assignment-
"Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast."
For breakfast a woman must not reheat his sins her man once.
Once her man for breakfast has forgiven a woman his breakfast has forgiven a woman his sins she must not reheat.
His sins for breakfast must not reheat once a woman has forgiven her man.
Tiffany Buie
Gertrude Stein is an extremly unique poet. I had not been accustomed to reading the type of poetry that she creates, so i was very confused by her poems at first. I had no idea why she kept repeating the same words or phrases over and over again, but after reading her bio, things were a little more clear.
Gertrude Stein was greatly influenced by Cubism(which I'm still not quite sure about what it fully means). In her poems, she would use ordinay words in a different way which would give them a new meaning to the reader. She was more interested in what the words would do for the reader instead of just what they meant. Many people compared her to famous artists, such as Picasso. Her critiques on other peoples wrtitings and arts were highly important. I would have to agree with the person who said that a lot of her work was to obscure and abstract for the average reader. I had to read her poems over and over again just to try to make some sense out of them. She had a nice way of using repeating words and phrases to bring a musical type of rhythem to it.
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. Reheat his sins for breakfast. His sins for breakfast. A woman has forgiven her man. She must not reheat his sins. His sins for breakfast. Once a woman. She must not reaheat. His sins. His sins for breakfast
Kimberly Richtarik
Stein... has really opened eyes... for a min. I thought that Stein was a little crazy I really didn't understan what she was trying to say... I couldn't get into anything that Stein had written... now that I understand.... her writings make more since to me. I like the way she uses words to get the reader to look at words in a different way.
Imitation Exercise
Reheat his sins, a woman must not. Once woman has forgiven. Man forgiven her for breakfast. Once a woman, once a man. His sins her sins. Forgiven he forgiven man. Once a woman has forgievn her man eat his sins. She must not reheat his sins, forgive him of his sins.
the last posting was done by Ashlee Richards 3:44
She msut not reheat his sins for breakfast, once a women has forgiven her man. A women has forgiven her man for breakfst. Her man must not reheat his sins. Once a women, once a man. His sins, her sins, must not be reheated.
Adrienne Mann
To me Getrude Stein is pure genius. She goes deep into what the different meanings of poetry really is. Her work is creative, emotional, impressionable, and many other aspects of poetry. She makes you think about what you reading. When I first looked at her poems I thought they were weird and I didn't understand why she wrote them like that.
Getrude Stein is an excellent poet. At first look into her writings, you don't know what to think of them. But as you keep reading them, you tend to understand what she is trying to say. She touches a lot of what my definition of poetry is, like creativity. She challeges the mind, instead of writing a poem that someone can figure out the topic in 5 secs after reading it. For example a general love poem, like a ballad. When I first saw her poems I was confused and I was thinking, "is she foreal". But after the hearing the explanation for her unique style, I now understand.
(IN CLASS EXERCISE)
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast
Once a woman reheats his sins for breakfast
She has forgiven her man once
For breakfast she must not reheat his sins
A woman has forgiven her man for breakfast
Her man must not reheat his sins once a woman has forgiven
~Kirsten Williams~
This artist is really an interesting one. I have never seen a poet play with words and sentences like that before. I am use to a jazz artist doing something like that, but i guess in a way they are poets also. So to correct my last statement, I didnt know that i was listening to poets do this. On a serious note. I honestly dont think that her work was good enough to be published or paid for. It reminds me of a little kid just being bored and playing with "magnet letters".
"Once a woman has forgiven her man she must not reheat his sins for breakfast"
For breakfast a man must not re-eat his sins. A woman must forgive in love. A man must forgive in love. Not in sin. Man has sin, he must be forgiven. For a woman is a must for a man. If not he will break fast under the pressure of his sins. When a woman has firgiven a man can be given, a second chance to eat his breakfast.
Jonathan Bryant
Everytime we come across a "new idea" or "new author" or "new" anything, it's what some people would say "one for the ages". Gertruede Stein is DEFINITELY one for the ages. We always say that a certain person's ideas will never be re-created or even tried to be re-created. However, there have been authors of texts who have imitators and duplicators (Shakespeare, Shaw, Wilde, Mallarme, etc) but I believe Stein is the defintion of the statement "often imitated, never duplicated". Her style of rhythm and words is so unique that they will never be duplicated or even imitated (except for our attempts). One reason this might be is that she was able to take certain aspects of her circle of friends and incorporate them into her writings (i.e, how Picasso begins to paint a portait as opposed to painting a "regular painting". What does he do? What state of mind is he in when he begins, etc) That's my opinion in a nut shell.
Class Assignment:
"Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast"
A woman forgiven once must not. A man she must has his. Once forgiven, reheated sins. Her man for breakfast, she has once. Sins once woman not has her man must. Not for breakfast, his sins, her man once forgiven must. Reheat breakfast for a woman, once. His woman her man. Not sins, once reheat.
Chris Swaim
Gertrude Stein's incredible use of metaphors and imagery make her poetry completely original. Her unique style frequently employs basic words used repetitiously, in sporadic sequence. She writes with pure, simple language, however playing with the meaning(s) of words. As a poet, she utilizes every sense of the words she uses, making her poetry often misunderstood. It can be dramatic, or conversely, peaceful; emotional or exciting. I feel, although sometimes confusing, her poetry should be taken for what it is; with each reader perceiving and interpreting it differently. Her abstract speech allows the reader to guess at the actual meaning of the poem.
Stein’s exposure to some of the greatest artists and their work must have had an enormous influence on her writing. Her poems, like paintings of Pablo Picasso, were done using Cubism. She wrote in a time of, what she called, the “continuous present;” being the first to bring the concept of cubism into language. Stein writes to expand consciousness for the individual, giving some poems a very personal mood. I admire her work and courage to create a new type of poetry.
“Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast.”
Woman
Reheat breakfast
Her man sins
Forgive breakfast
Once forgiven, his not hers, hers not his.
His sins for breakfast…
Reheat?
Forgive?
Forget?
She must
Must she
He sins, she sins
Time for morning,
Mourning breakfast reheated
Once reheated, sins burn for breakfast.
Katie Rogers
I believe that in any randomness there is sense. In stein's writings that we've read, to me, there's a certain understanding that you can achieve from the randomness. It's almost like music. The randomness of repeating is like notes on a sheet music. After you read it over and over again, it's like the chorus to a song. It's the beating of the drum. And each word is placed just where it is to create the perfect harmony.
She very much literally shrubs her words clean and makes those words new. By repeating the words over and over, she breaks the words down to the bare meaning. And that meaning of the words, individually and as a sum, is another factor of why her poems are so strong in meaning.
In class assignment:
There was a womain
A woman there was
She did forgive her man
Her man she did forgive
That woman always did say
Always did say that woman
Once a woman has forgiven her man
Her man once a woman has forgiven
She must not reheat his sins
His sins she not reheat
Reheat his sins for breakfast
For breakfast reheat his sins
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
She must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
Amber Mains
I think Gertrude stein has an extremely unique style of writing. The way she uses her words to manipulate the poem is almost extrodinary. She writes almost in a way to make you really think about the real meaning of her poem and what it really stands for."My sense is that Stein began with what in another writer would be an idea. She does not, however, propose to develop the idea into a plot, a poem, or an essay," this particular quote makes me think that what made gertrude stein such a unique writer was that she wrote the first thing that came to her head instead of putting it down on paper and organizing it to make sense.
Gertrude stein originality in her poems is what makes her as a person, stand out. Because her words were so so strong she was even said to make or break reputations. I think Gertrude stein was so easily accepted in her writing because most of her writing was not your typical rhyming or well organized poem, it was something different and it was understandable why she became a legend in paris as well as respectable for her unique individuality in her writings.
Arnetta Hardy
Class assignment:
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
She must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
She must not reheat.
His sins,
His sins,
She must not reheat sins.
Once a woman has forgiven,
Once a woman has forgiven,
She must not reheat sins,
Of her man,
Of her man,
A woman has forgiven her man.
The whole point of this poem is having the ability to forgive and forget.The poem is telling a story of a woman and a man who are intimately together and obviously have been having problems.i like the way the poem uses words to signify means such as the word reheat. The meaning of the word in this poem means to bring back up or keep dwelling on the past.It is also that that if she forgives him for his sins one day she has to forgive him for it the next day also.
The phrase ;"she must not reheat his sins for breakfast" if she can't do this then, she can not forgive nor forget.
Arnetta Hardy
I find Stein's writing simple, playful, and unimposing. Her poems often don’t make any sense in the traditional sense of complete sentences, thoughts, and linear flow, but they do offer insight into subject matter or opinion with an attitude that is non-judgmental and objective. Her poems stand alone, the words are used to draw a reaction, I don't feel like she is manipulating me or has an agenda behind the prose. Like we discussed in class the alliteration and repetition can expose deeper meanings of common words or phrases. In Why do you feel differently, the word "please" is used again and again to have the reader get more from the word then expected from everyday use. Stein selects very simple words but uses them in unique and unexpected ways. Adults may find the format difficult to read, because it seems almost child-like. Still the language is sharp and quick and to the point. There is hardly any meandering, rather, very concise word choice.
In an entry in wikipedia.org I found a list of principals behind Stein's work:
1. Commonality
2. Essense
3. Value
4. Grounding the Continuous present
5. Play
6. Transformation
After reading her poems I think this list is quite accurate.
My Poem:
A Women forgiven her man, sins for breakfast
Oh bad bad is sin, breakfast and sin reheat and eat
Sin by man to Women, how sin for sin can sin repeat
Sin best, sin worst, sin hot, sin cold, man sin, Women sin
Breakfast, had breakfast with Women, man sin, Women not sinned
At Breakfast, reheat, hot, cold, man hot, Women cold, man cold
Breakfast sin, sin man sin man sin Women.
His Women lost
Sin in man, man lost, breakfast at breakfast cold.
Sin Done. Lunch.
-Matthew Modrow
Steins writings are very intersting to say the least! I love the way that she is able to be open and original with her poems. I agree with the afformentioned idea that she was extremely influenced by the cubism movement; it definately shows in her work. Thus far, I think that I have enjoyed reading her works more than any other in the class. I hope to read more from individualists like herself! The blog before mine mentioned that adults might find it difficult to understand the meaning behind her writing and I agree with this assessment. Her style is in a way "childlike" and yet I get a sense of somthing else... I cant put my finger on it but it is definately there! In an abstract way I am lead to think of Dr. Seus. Maybe it is the rhythm...
"His sins must not forgive a woman.
Break-fast once a woman she.
Must She? Must not? Must he once sin?
Breakfast for she and for him.
Man she, must she forgive sins not.
Reheat she and he for once.
Breakfast woman must a man.
Swallow all whole never again.
Never woman. Never man. AGAIN!
Swallow man reheat breakfast.
Never reheat??? Never sin..."
Kimberly Grimes 5588
Gertrude Stein was one of the biggist motivators in Cubism. She and her brother, had a parlor that many writers and artist of the time came to communicate with one another. When you read Stein, you realize she is a revolutionary of her time. Her style is like none other of her time. Some poets have tried to copy this, but have failed.
As you read Stein, you realize, like W. G. Rogers states, her lines one on one might not make that much since, but when combined, they create a masterpiece like all of Steins work. Also, her words and her ideas have a relationship like none other. To Stein, as stated in this article, language is not an object of itself but a function in the world.
In class we were suppose to write a poem that copied Steins style. Here is my attempt.
Reheat his sins.
Reheat his breakfast.
Reheat her man.
Man must not be reheated.
Forgive his sins.
Reheat them never.
Why would you reheat?
Right after forgiven.
I hope she learns.
Never to reheat again.
Sally Hinson
When I first read some of Gertrude Stein's poems, I had to admit that I as a bit confused and didn't know what she meant when she wrote them. After, read some of the information that was provided for us to read I became a little more clear on some of the poems. I am still a little confused and fustrated by some of her poems, but some are not meant to make sense, it is just what the author feels in his/her heart at that present time. One of the things that I learn about Gertrude Stein was that she not only wrote poems, but stories, music and had performances.
In-class Imitation exercise
"Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
A woman reheats forgiven sins.
Man once for breakfast.
Must woman forgive man.
Breakfast is reheated once sins.
His sins once forginve.
Woman has sins forgoten.
Her man must she forive.
A breakfast she has reheated for man.
Sins for woman must she man, once breakfast.
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast."
Tammy McRae
When I first read some of Gertrude Stein's poems, I had to admit that I as a bit confused and didn't know what she meant when she wrote them. After, read some of the information that was provided for us to read I became a little more clear on some of the poems. I am still a little confused and fustrated by some of her poems, but some are not meant to make sense, it is just what the author feels in his/her heart at that present time. One of the things that I learn about Gertrude Stein was that she not only wrote poems, but stories, music and had performances.
In-class Imitation exercise
"Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
A woman reheats forgiven sins.
Man once for breakfast.
Must woman forgive man.
Breakfast is reheated once sins.
His sins once forginve.
Woman has sins forgoten.
Her man must she forive.
A breakfast she has reheated for man.
Sins for woman must she man, once breakfast.
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast."
Tammy McRae
Along with many other people, I too was taken back by Stein's words throughout many of her works. The very unique style and suttle changes in her peoms didnt jump out at me that quickly. Not being familiar with any of her work in the past, readers of any background would first look at her poems at a glance and perhaps see them as disorganized confusion. However, looking deeper into her thoughts and sifting out the words, it is quite clear that each was placed there for a reason.
One comment I found interesting and completely agree with brought up by Guy Davenport, is the comparison made between Stein and Picasso. Both thought of as cubists. When you look closely and reveiw their works, each artist has a way of capturing the most extrordinary objects and ideas in the most simplistic manner. Just like most people may look at a painting from Picasso and think of it as a bunch of scribbles replicating a human figure, Stein's poems are looked upon as a bunch of chicken scratch titled as poetry. But it isnt until you look deeper into their works that you find such a powerful statement.
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. If those sins are reheated for breakfast, then those sins can never be forgotten. Once a woman forgives her man, fogiveness is now the sin to be reheated.
-Courtney Field
When I first read Getrude Stein I thought her poems to be childlike, simple, and somewhat nonsense. But when I looked a little deeper and then tried to write a poem similar to hers, things became more complex and and began to form a meaning. Even though the meaning isn't always clear, I did get a sense of the meaning of her poetry by looking at the arrangement and re-arrangement of her words. I think the complexity of her relatively "simple" poetry style comes from finding a meaning out of the nonsense of the words.
Her poetry style is appealing to me though because I have a hard time writing poetry, but with her style it allows you to create poetry without really trying to. You start with a basic point or phrase and then just go from there. You never really know what you are going to end up with.
Getrude Stein imitation:
"Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast." His sins breakfast. Man forgiven. Woman forgives. Sins once a reheat. Breakfast for her man. Not her man forgive. Sins for woman. Must reheat not. He sins for her. Breakfast forgive. Once woman man. A has her she his for. Sins a once. Reheat sins. Must not. Breakfast for sins his reheat not must she.
Brianna Smith
I must admit, I was not enjoying Gertrude Stein's poetry. The first thought that came to my head after reading it was, How could this be considered poetry. The enormous use of cubism can be very confusing. It seemed as if she was taking a thought, playing with the words, and saying the same thing over and over again. It was actually very frustrating to read her poetry. After reading responses to her poetry, I know understand that a main goal of Stein is to get the reader to use their head. There are traps in language that are ignored. Stein is bringing about an awareness to some of them. In her poetry language became a game.
So Stein is probably the most creative poet whose work I've studied. Until you know what she's trying to accomplish in her work, you won't understand her reason behind her style of writing. As for the in class exercise, it was also difficult to do. This is because it really bothered me to put words together that didn't form a complete thought.
Exercise from class:
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
She must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
His sins must not be reheated.
Not for breakfast.
His sin for breakfast must not be reheated.
Once woman has forgiven her man.
Once her man has been forgiven.
A women must not reheat his sins.
Woman has forgiven her man's sins.
Must not reheat them.
Nicole Parker
When I first read Getrude Stein I thought her poems to be childlike, simple, and somewhat nonsense. But when I looked a little deeper and then tried to write a poem similar to hers, things became more complex and and began to form a meaning. Even though the meaning isn't always clear, I did get a sense of the meaning of her poetry by looking at the arrangement and re-arrangement of her words. I think the complexity of her relatively "simple" poetry style comes from finding a meaning out of the nonsense of the words.
Her poetry style is appealing to me though because I have a hard time writing poetry, but with her style it allows you to create poetry without really trying to. You start with a basic point or phrase and then just go from there. You never really know what you are going to end up with.
Getrude Stein imitation:
"Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast." His sins breakfast. Man forgiven. Woman forgives. Sins once a reheat. Breakfast for her man. Not her man forgive. Sins for woman. Must reheat not. He sins for her. Breakfast forgive. Once woman man. A has her she his for. Sins a once. Reheat sins. Must not. Breakfast for sins his reheat not must she.
Brianna Smith
The poems we have read so far by Gertrude Stein have been interesting and enjoyable. The way she writes her poems is playful yet also very inventive. She will take an ordinary sentence that is bland and turn it into a poem that is creative and intretesting. Her techniques are not like other poets i have had contact with. Most poems i would hear or read would be deep and hard to read into. Reading the poems of hers they are comfusing at first but from quite simple form. the poem, "A Dog", is about a monkey and a donkey. there is no mention of a dog in this, hense the confusing part of steins works.
Reheat. A woman, she must not reheat. sins for breakfast once a woman. Reheat, forgive her man, she must. Must not reheat his sins. once a woman, reheated sins. once breakfast her man. reheat. once reheated. sins reheat. women, she must not reheat. forgiven reheat. for breakfast once a woman and once a man, reheat and forgive. Reheat.
Stephanie Kuebler
The post at 1:06 PM was mine. I forgot to write my name.
Jennifer McGuirk
Gertrude Stein is unbelievable. She's a feminist in all means. I love the repetition that she uses in her workd os literature. When you first start reading the poems they can be kind of confusing. You might think you know where she's going with the whole concept, but truthfully you have no idea. She takes words, or sometimes whole sentenses and a puts her own little, unique spin on it, to make it have several meanings.
In class assignment:
once a women
has forgiven
her man
your man
any man
she must not reheat
reheat she must not
his sins
for breakfast
because
she has forgiven
forgiven what?
a sin
not hers
but your
sins.
~Navia McDonald~
The poems read on detrich are intriguing in the way that she uses the same sentance in several different ways which is very difficult. According to the articles read she was a well respected ppoet whose opinion on things were well respected around the world . Also another thing i found interesting was that her brother was a critic which meant that she had to be on her stuff in regards to her writings and things of that nature. Her cubuist veiws and unique but very intelligent style of writing I respect greatly.
ALso the assignment we had to do in class gave me a new found respect for the style and while listning to music inoticed that a rap artist by the name of cameron uses the same style going back to the basics of poetry. SImplistic yet mind boggoling in that we must figure in what way was the same words used in the last sentence are different in meaning due to the way the author wrote it.
Once a women has forgiven her man, by her man this women should stand. Even in public persecution as to why she stands with this forgiven man, everyone understands that this takes a strong women , especially her forgiven man. This womens forgivness is not the true test,for the man she has forgiven should not be shamed at breakfast. Yet he should be able to wipe away the stain of pain, he caused. Through a miscalculation of cupids aim in regards to this women who has forgave, his grave mistakes. This women who chose not to reheat his mistakes but, take his plate and serve him a steak. This man should be greatful that this womens forgiveness
has changed his fate. A women who has forgiven her man, a man, is one of the most noblest creatures throughout the land, a man who has a forgiving women, a manly man, who admits mistakes and has a forgiving women, should feel great, be thankful and scrape the plate of forgiveness, and rake the plate of sins away. Then this man should sieze every oppurtunity he can to please this forgiving women,to cater to this women, and be the man of this deservivng queen. This women who forgives, deserves royalty treatment for, forgiving a a confession instead of reheating,she changed the menu, and threw out the sins of a forgiven man, only o reheat the romance that made this mans women his women, and this womens man her man. anthony headen.
When I read the first few lines of Stein's poetry, I felt shocked, and almost disgusted, not at the content but at the fact that I could not understand. However, when I re-read the lines, I discovered the genius of poetry, that I as a reader myself was given the liberty to create the meaning that I want. I found that I could alter the meaning by emphasizing one word or the next, creating the reality that I wanted to see. I had never been given this opportunity by a writer before, and I find it amazing that through such a seemingly simple method of rearranging and repeating words, such complex outcomes can be achieved.
Beyond her work, I am fascinated by Gertrude Stein as an artist / poet in that she was able to gain so much success and recognition at a time when the talents of women were only slowly becoming recognized. However, I believe that even more important than the fact that she was a woman, was by the way that she was able incorporate other contemporary art movements into her work, thus supporting the influence of modernism, and directly affecting the way we have come to experience art today.
Imitation exercise:
Forgiven her man once a woman. Once a woman forgiven her man. Reheat his sins once a woman. Not for breakfast once a woman. Must not has forgiven. Has forgiven must must must not. Forgiven her man. Must not. Not her man. Must not. Must not has forgiven. Her man once a woman a woman once forgiven. Her man once a woman for breakfast not must man her man a woman once.
Tineke Misegades
Stein's way of writing is very complex yet also so simple. Her methods give a new meaning to words and also provide the readers with a different way of seeing the words. I thought it was interesting how she was compared to Picasso and cubism, yet it is true, being that both expand the mind and imagination and influence your individual thinking. It is like she only gives you enough to where you must take the words and put the puzzle together to figure out the meaning behind her work. Stein has an amazing technique and style and i think it is more complicated than simple. It allows independent thinking and shows that all poetry and writing doesn't have guidelines or rules to follow in order for it to be successful.
In class exercise:
Once a woman has forgiven her man,
she must not reheat his sins for breakfast
woman forgiven her man
forgiven her man
forgiven her man
reheat his sins
reheat his sins for breakfast
man sins
once a woman has reheated her breakfast
she must not forgive man for his sins
-Whitney Johnson
Getrud Stein has a different style that you must read aloud to appreciate. The plays on words and the different ways that a single sentence could be used or taken show her genius. Growing up in a time when modern art was starting to emerge as something more than a mix of confusing blocks to Picasso and the true beauty of confusion. Having known and worked with greats such as Ernest Hemmingway at the center of the modern art movement in Europe must have given her the inspiration to take chances with her poetry and to push the envelop of literature I general with plays that became operas. Her style is strange at first but if you pull it apart and think of the different ideas that the lines could poetry you’ll see that you have to make Getrud Stein’s work you own and take your own meaning from it. Her style I wouldn’t say is childlike but might be more easily digestible by children that don’t get wrapped up trying to analyze every word for what its true meaning might be. If you take it for what it is or just what it is to you than it’s a lot easier to read. It’s nice that her poems take on a more lyrical rhythm than any of the others we’ve read so far it makes the abstract ideas easier to stomach as well as easier to read over without getting too caught.
“once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast”
sins
a man has sins
a woman has sins
once a woman had sin
then a man had sin
no more apples for breakfast
once a man has forgiven his woman
she must not reheat his sins
once she sins
he must sin
man has forgiven woman
woman has forgiven man
man has forgiven man
must not break the fast anymore
-Alex Laube
When I 1st read Gertrude Stein’s poems the 1st thought was that she was schizophrenic because her words seem to express disorganized thoughts and confusion. After I read her bio I learned that this was exactly what she was going for. She breaks down the thoughts we have to its simplest form then lets the reader build the thought into something they could understand. This is an abstract; one sees what they wish to see. Each phrase could be taken in so differently by different minds in different moods. I noticed if I was mad I would take her words in a process them one way, but they would be processed totally different when I was in a mischievous mood.
The only thing is that she really wasn’t challenging us with something new of her own. There were so many different artist, poets, creators, getting us to use our minds to find the art in a masterpiece. They weren’t making it easy on us to figure out just what they meant. They wanted us to explore I own desires at what we wish there pieces meant. I think that Stein did a great job in a system of abstraction that already existed. She got ideas from others but really put her own twist on things.
My attempt
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast.
Once a woman, his sins forgiven
Forgiven man must not sin
A woman man, must sin once
Sin once, once forgiven
Man heat, heat breakfast.
Breakfast sins, sins woman once
Once breakfast she sins her man
Dorothy Michael
While reading the articles written on Ms. Marlene Detrich I discovered several interesting, influential, key events in her life that showed in her work, which I feel shaped her into the literary genius she had become.
It was stated that she used the idea of cubism that many artist used. The way in which she used this technique was to take a simple sentence and use certain words in it rapaciously to a have different meaning in the following sentence. Pretty much before embarking on her own literary works Detrich was a well respected and her opinion valued through out the nation. It was also stated that her brother was a critic whom she lived with for a short time until she moved in with her life partner Alice whom she later published a biography from the life of Alice which received great reviews. Her literary works with their simplistic style but deep meanings has made her name immortal in that the style she brought to poetry will live and be revered as wonderful and intriguing forever.
"once a woman has forgiven her man she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. Once a woman has forgiveness to her man she must not dwell. Once a woman has forgiven that woman once was you. The woman that once gave forgiveness to her man. Her man. A manly man. No one elses man. A man who repented his sins to the woman who forgave him once. The woman who forgave him once. Forgave him to forgive him. Forgave him to forget. Forgot it to move on. She must not reheat his sins for breakfast. She must not reheat his breakfast. She must have breakfast hot. She must have breakfast ready. She must have breakfast hot and ready to help him grow. She must help him stand tall. She must help. Help mold him. Help console him. Help warm him. Help hold him when there is no one else. She must not take or break down his dignity something she cannot give back. She must help make him strong for without her there is no him. She must love him. She must not reheat his sins for breakfast." ~De'Anna S. Graham~
I enjoy the creative approach Gertrude Stein has applied to poetry. Stein’s use of repetition and play on words separates her poems from anything I have ever heard or read. However, I feel her poems are insincere. If she randomly places words together and creates meaning, can it be accredited to her? Poetry expresses whatever meaning the artist wants to convey. Stein’s technique produces meaning but it is not authentic.
In class assignment:
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. For breakfast, she not reheat forgiven sin. Man must not sin for breakfast. Once sins forgiven must not reheat.
-Paul Gilliland
Samantha Ray
Wow!! By far, she is the most interesting poet that we have discovered so far in this class.I really think the reason why I am so intrigued by her character is mainly because....she puts herself out there as this poet who doesn't really care how she writes or what others think of her writing style. She had to have published these works regardless of if someone actually understood it or not.
When a reader first comes across one of her poems, they may see it a Word Play or just plain nonsense. But, if you really look into the way the words are formed around again actually repeating themselves...you will began to understand it more. I think what really drew me to her as a reader is when we had the class activity...b/c I took that one sentence and changed it around into sooo many things that I wanted to say (using the same exact one sentence)meaning something different each time. The sentence can be based around different themes each time you re-word it...but, also it has the same subject.
For someone to actually say "her work resembles the work of a child" is complety wrong!! In addition to that, they haven't being paying attention to Mallarme's views of poetry. "You don't make a poem with ideas but, with words." This goes to show that some of the responses last week to Mallarme were false...b/c here Stein has the words and you call it a non-poem or "real work or poetry".
All in all, not trying to offend anyone...but Stein is very creative and has a unique style of writing that should be reconigzed as truly as any other poet.
*My Work...I really enjoyed this exercise..b/c of the way I could say what I felt..by only using one sentence...How Neat??
*Rheat his Sins? Why not a Woman must not reheat his Sins? Once a woman is forgiven. Forgiven Her Man. Woman once was a...Has a Man. Her Man. Once she has. Must Not. Forgive must not. She must not forgive. She has a Man but must not forgive. Has Man, Has Man, Has Her Man. His Sins but not Hers once as Woman. Once a Man too. She not? Must Not. Remember? Reheat sins of His. His not b/c His is always forgiven in He. But not by Me. Reheat sins from He. Over and over, and over again...reheat em'.
I think that Gertrude Stein was a very interesting poet. I think its cool that her and her brother had a great appreciation for art. She seemed to write a variety of different peices, some traditional poems and many untraditional ones.
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. Once a woman. A woman once. Woman once a. Has forgiven. Has forgiven her man. Her. Man. Forgiven. She must. She must not. She must not reheat. Reheat must not. Not reheat must. She reheat. She not. His sins for. His sins for breakfast. Breakfast for his sins. His for. His breakfast. His sins.
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~Kasi Perkins
Once a woman has forgiven her man, she must not reheat his sins for breakfast. She has really forgiven her. Sins are reheated once a true woman has forgiven her man. Reheat his sins. Reheat him. Reheat his forgiveness. Reheat a man for breakfast, man, reheat a woman. Once a woman. Once a man. Sins are always forgiven. He must forgive. Now she can trust. His sins. Her sins. Reheat and Forgive.
~Wendy Pagoaga ENG 106~
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